since kinopio is a spatial platform, it seems natural and almost necessary for comments to be in the space

and i don’t want it to get defaced

I’ve had thoughts about comments for years, and I appreciate you articulating yours. Some of mine are in the forum:

yes, when setting a space “Open To All” there is an assumption that I’m trusting the viewers

w/ account: power level limited to 100 cards

how likely is this to be a viable attack?

in the short term, this is not very likely

attacker floods my space with cards

another really important card

another really important cards

another really important card

another really important card

really important card

not very likely that someone will take the time to create the accounts to direct an attack

spaces can turn into annotation hell (think discord announcements that spammed with reactions)

currently they can’t directly delete my content

counter: you can filter out comments

they don’t even have to have the ill intent to mess up my space

so the only way possible options i see for disruption:

the space becomes a wall with many layers of graffiti

Q: can a free tier with no profile contribute to a “Open To All” space?

paying for kinopio

can cause a lot of graffiti

really unlikely since they are paying

Q. is the underlying assumption that there’s trust from viewers to not have malicious intent? I think that answer dictates a lot

Shouldn’t it be up to the user..?

How would that be different than hiding comments?

using current features

The problem being, this isn’t super intuitive for guests / non-Kinopio users.

this is key. there are only two roles right now: 1) viewer 2) collaborator. There is no middle ground.

Yeah, we have multiple concepts in this space and it’s not always clear which one we are referring to :P

Ok, I gotchya. I was thinking the Comment-only invite would solve that. So it can be closed, open, comment-only.

speaking of layers, what if you could have a comments “layer” that the owner could toggle on and off?

Do we envision commenting as a tool for existing collaborators to express themselves differently, or should it be a new role?

I think it should be a space setting if we’re talking about the use case of “I have published something to share with the world.” Analogous to a blog—I can choose whether to have comments or not.

I wouldn’t characterize this as “unnecessary” :) I see a comment mode simplifying/clarifying the interaction. This seems like the best way to support the use case of—I have a space I have crafted and want to publish/share with the world. I want to elicit feedback or comments.

But that goes back to... →

Yeah, in this scheme, it would always have a comment indicator of some sort. I find that less obtrusive than a comment being an entirely new card.

When I was talking about layers, I was thinking this would be a space setting. So everyone would see the effect. When we’re talking about “hiding comments,” I’m assuming we are talking about a client setting. So it’s up to the user what they want to see.

Why limit threads to comment cards? What if all cards supported comments? Another thought—you could scope comments to existing cards.

IDK... How would others know a comment is behind the card. You then need a visual indicator i.e. the current “Comment” card indicator, but I wouldn’t want regular cards to have that...

a possible solution could be to link to a seperate comments/guestbook space that’s open

I also think threads could be super valuable as a way to limit clutter in a space. i.e. one comment card can be a whole conversation. Sort of like in Word/PPT where you can highlight a section + Comment and then people can reply, but it’s still only one highlight over the section.

This is more unneccessary complication... but what if... Open to All could be split into two modes: Open and Comments only

Q: what is stopping “Open To All” spaces from being defaced?

Q: can you specify items to have read/write permissions?

If so, you could create a box to have read/write and cards to have read

doubt it, seems like this would cause a lot of confusion

I like this idea a lot within the current framework. I still think a third role of “commentor” is helpful to designate who can participate in comments.

That use case is distinct from Open to All and Collaborators, where every person is an equal collaborator. I think this is worth considering. I continue to believe that people want this. There are many spaces that are currently Public Read Only that could have been “Open for Comments”.

1. Hide Comments

In other words: Comment can turn into a conversation in one card.

So maybe if the hiding/showing comments were more a “part” of the interface that could reduce some of the “not wanting to mess up a space”

Because I think there is real value in comments being in the space and spatial.

I wonder if the Hide Comment button could be part of the main interface so it feels more like “Entering Comment” mode

> without feeling like you’re ‘intruding’ on the original space. because commenters can confidently create cards, do whatever, knowing that the creator can easily ignore them because they would have the ability to hide them or work with the space in such a way that they don’t get in the way.

It’s more than trust in commentors. Having a more explicit commenting mechanism encourages folks to comment.

create and link to a “Open To All” space specifically for comments

“Public Read Only”

easy, just create a box

you have a space you want to share

you want a comment section

but it isn’t spatial

3. See all comments in the sidebar

2. Add a comment with `(())`

I think there is something to this flow that could be super useful if solidified a bit more for this type of use case.

> I’d like to be able to publish and work using Kinopio and illicit feedback and comments. Currently, comments are essentially like any other card, so in order to enable them, I need to provide others with a collaborator key, or make the space Open to All.

connect to the hivemind

without comment section in the space

with comment section in the space:

Feedback is detached from the space. It’s left on whatever platform the space was shared on.

Feedback is attached to the space. It lingers for the duration of the space’s life.

then, i want it to live on “Explore” page

i want to share my space on how i use kinopio to do project management

this space is Open To All

a place that tries to work out how to implement a comment section into a space in kinopio

Q: why have a comment section in a kinpio space?